I'm interested to see what the Cavs will do next after signing Shaq and in the wake of missing out on some of their targets like Artest and Ariza. Here is their current roster:
Mo Williams / Daniel Gibson
Delonte West / Terence Kinsey
LeBron James / Jawad Williams
JJ Hickson / Darnell Jackson
Shaquille O'Neal / Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Shaq, Z, and Kinsey come off the books after next summer, along with Jawad Williams likely as the Cavs can offer a qualifying offer to him after next season. They also have the rights to Anderson Varejao if they can agree to terms.
Now, after not landing Artest or Ariza and probably not Rasheed, I'm curious as to what they can do aside from re-signing Varejao to not only give them the best chance to win a title, but to keep their options open to possibly add another max type player to play with LeBron. If they re-sign Anderson at any price over roughly $5-6 million a year, they probably don't have that opportunity next summer.
They obviously have a great franchise player and two players in Shaq and Mo that most teams would love as their #2 and #3 players. But, the rest of the roster as currently constructed needs a lot of work. They could use a big and athletic swing man in the 6'6" to 6'8" range and a mobile combo forward that preferably can defend the perimeter adequately and hit an open shot.
So what do they do to fill up some of their needs without endangering 2010? They're still over the cap for this summer, so they really only have the MLE and minimum contracts to work with when it comes to signing players and their one trade asset is probably only Zydrunas whose contract is up after next year so trading his contract for one that's longer also hurts the 2010 free agency cap space.
David Lee, Paul Milsap, Lamar Odom, Marvin Williams, Josh Childress, Antonio McDyess, , Linas Kleiza, Marquis Daniels, Brandon Bass, Grant Hill, Joe Smith, Dahntay Jones are all free agents that are availbale. I'd expect the Cavs to throw offers at some of them. Marquis Daniels, Dahntay Jones, and Josh Childress are interesting names because they are all bigger wing players who play D. If I'm the Cavs I'd try to land one or two of those guys with the MLE. As far as PF goes, Marvin Williams would be a nice fit - he can play some 4 and 3 and is the kind of guy who would be able to counter Rashard Lewis. Other options that could be acquired via trade include Al Harrington and Antwan Jamison (although Jamison is unlikely because the Wizards think they can compete now).
So, if I were in charge of the Cavs my plan would look like this:
1) Sign Marquis Daniels, Dahntay Jones, or Josh Childress with some of/all of the MLE
2) Sign (or do a sign and trade) for Marvin Williams - If you can't land him try to pry Al Harrington from the Knicks
3) Trade for Raja Bell
Then the roster would look like this:
G - Mo Williams / Delonte West
G - Josh Childress / Raja Bell / Daniel Gibson
F - Lebron / Jawad Williams
F - Marvin Williams / Hickson / Darnell Jackson
C - Shaq / Z
Hawks continue to have rights to Josh Childress. If he signs a contract with the Cavs for anything less than the MLE or even the full MLE, the Hawks have the right to match. And, if they let Marvin Williams walk, wouldn't you think they'd match for Childress? And what do the Cavs have that the Hawks would want to trade Marvin Williams for? Your ending roster keeps Z, Delonte, Mo, and Gibson. But the Cavs will still be able to get Childress and Marvin Williams AND trade for Raja Bell? I'm missing something because how do they trade for both Marvin Williams and Raja Bell and still have Z, Delonte, Mo, and Gibson on the roster?
And, with that, are you saying the Cavs should forgo any chance at signing another max contract type player to play with LeBron next summer? Because if they do those things, they will eliminate the ability to throw another max contract next summer.
Fine:
1) Sign Dahntay Jones and Joe Smith with the MLE
2) Trade Z for Al Harrington (the Knicks don't want Harrington anymore now that they drafted Jordan Hill)
3) Trade Delonte West for Raja Bell
New Line-Up:
G: Mo Williams / Daniel Gibson
G: Dahntay Jones / Raja Bell / Terence Kinsey
F: Lebron James / Jawad Williams
F: Al Harrington / J.J. Hickson
C: Shaq / Joe Smith
Lebron, Shaq, Raja Bell and Al Harrington's contracts expire next summer giving them around 50 million dollars off the books so they can go after the big free agent they want and re-sign Lebron.
That looks good. The only thing I'd question is why the Bobcats would trade Raja Bell for Delonte West. I'm sure they'd be willing to trade Raja, but why for West? It's a lateral move at best plus Delonte has one more year on his contract.
But I'm on board with the other moves. Z for Al Harrington is something I was thinking about too. The only perceivable drawback is that it helps the Cavs without really helping the Knicks. Both contracts expire and it's not like Z would be a Mike D'Antoni type player. And, Harrington helps against a team like Orlando, so helping the Cavs win might also help them re-sign LeBron, something the Knicks wouldn't be likely to do UNLESS the trade also helps the Knicks. If it was Z and Gibson for Harrington and Jared Jeffries, it would make more sense for the Knicks because even though Gibson has a long term contract, his salary for 2010-11 is smaller than Jeffries' so they add a couple million to their cap space for the 2010 summer. A straight-up trade involving Z for Al Harrington doesn't really help the Knicks.
That looks good. The only thing I'd question is why the Bobcats would trade Raja Bell for Delonte West. I'm sure they'd be willing to trade Raja, but why for West? It's a lateral move at best plus Delonte has one more year on his contract.
But I'm on board with the other moves. Z for Al Harrington is something I was thinking about too. The only perceivable drawback is that it helps the Cavs without really helping the Knicks. Both contracts expire and it's not like Z would be a Mike D'Antoni type player. And, Harrington helps against a team like Orlando, so helping the Cavs win might also help them re-sign LeBron, something the Knicks wouldn't be likely to do UNLESS the trade also helps the Knicks. If it was Z and Gibson for Harrington and Jared Jeffries, it would make more sense for the Knicks because even though Gibson has a long term contract, his salary for 2010-11 is smaller than Jeffries' so they add a couple million to their cap space for the 2010 summer. A straight-up trade involving Z for Al Harrington doesn't really help the Knicks.
Delonte West is younger and better than Raja Bell. I guess that was my thinking. Plus he can play either position - which would be an advantage in this case. I think it's a win-win deal for both teams because Raja Bell doesn't fit in Charlotte (even if Larry Brown likes him) and they just drafted Gerald Henderson. On Cleveland's side Raja Bell is obviously a much better defender, much more physical, bigger, and just as good of a shooter as Delonte West.
My thinking for New York wanting to get rid of Harrington is that he really just takes minutes away from Jordan Hill who is ready to play right now. I also think that New York is in a bit of a win-now mode, especially if they can get Jason Kidd. There's no doubt that Z would win them more games than Al Harrington possibly could. Z isn't quite the athlete Mike D'Antoni wants but he is a nice shooter and passer, it would be just a one year experiment, and I think that a Jordan Hill and Zydrunas Ilgauskas make a nice front-court because they compliment each other by making up for each other's weaknesses. Plus, as of right now, New York's only legitimate centers are Darko and Chris Wilcox. If New York could get Kidd they would look something like this:
G - Kidd / Duhon
G - Larry Hughes / Nate Robinson / Cuttino Mobley
F - Wilson Chandler / Danilo Gallinari
F - Jordan Hill / Jared Jeffries
C - Zydrunas Ilgauskas / Chris Wilcox / Eddy Curry? / Darko Milicic
That's a team that can compete a little in the East, at least better than it would with Harrington.
Fine:
1) Sign Dahntay Jones and Joe Smith with the MLE
2) Trade Z for Al Harrington (the Knicks don't want Harrington anymore now that they drafted Jordan Hill) 3) Trade Delonte West for Raja Bell
New Line-Up:
G: Mo Williams / Daniel Gibson
G: Dahntay Jones / Raja Bell / Terence Kinsey
F: Lebron James / Jawad Williams
F: Al Harrington / J.J. Hickson
C: Shaq / Joe Smith
Lebron, Shaq, Raja Bell and Al Harrington's contracts expire next summer giving them around 50 million dollars off the books so they can go after the big free agent they want and re-sign Lebron.
No way do we trade Delonte West for Raja Bell. The Cavs love West and he has been said to be untouchable almost. The reason the Shaq deal died at the deadline was because the Suns wanted Delonte West and Ferry wouldn't budge. If I were the Cavs right now I don't trade Z because what if Shaq goes down with an injury? I for one do not want to see Joe Smith play center. Dahntay Jones would be a huge down grade at SG and would weaken us by a lot. With those moves the Cavs look more like they are focused on 2010 and not 2009. We are a win it now team and not a team that is looking like we can't win next year. With this roster we would be worse than Boston and Orlando.
The Cavs will probably look at Anthony Parker as a solid SG off the bench after missing out on Ariza and Artest. They fully expect to re-sign Varejao but I hope they don't over pay his ass. Who knows Shawn Marion is still out there and the Cavs could sign and trade for Marion not sure exactly how I would feel about that though.
No way do we trade Delonte West for Raja Bell. The Cavs love West and he has been said to be untouchable almost. The reason the Shaq deal died at the deadline was because the Suns wanted Delonte West and Ferry wouldn't budge. If I were the Cavs right now I don't trade Z because what if Shaq goes down with an injury? I for one do not want to see Joe Smith play center. Dahntay Jones would be a huge down grade at SG and would weaken us by a lot. With those moves the Cavs look more like they are focused on 2010 and not 2009. We are a win it now team and not a team that is looking like we can't win next year. With this roster we would be worse than Boston and Orlando.
The Cavs will probably look at Anthony Parker as a solid SG off the bench after missing out on Ariza and Artest. They fully expect to re-sign Varejao but I hope they don't over pay his ass. Who knows Shawn Marion is still out there and the Cavs could sign and trade for Marion not sure exactly how I would feel about that though.
You lost bro.
Delonte West was the biggest disaster in the play-offs last season. Once you get past your homerness you will realize that he was the Cavs biggest liability on defense, and he wasn't hitting any shots, so basically he was a useless 6'3" SG running around doing nothing. You don't understand that play-off teams don't need more talent, they need to build a roster of players that fit in. Obviously trading Delonte West would be a step back in talent, sure. But surrounding star players with talent doesn't always equal winning. You need to find players that fit in. Why do you think teams love Trevor Ariza, Dahntay Jones, Raja Bell, and Bruce Bowen and they started? These are some of the least talented players in the league, but they are glue guys, they know how to play roles. Delonte West doesn't know how to do that, Allen Iverson is another example now that he isn't a superstar anymore. Raja Bell is the perfect fit for the Cavs because he's got the physical tools to guard star guards and can score without needing the ball in his hands. The injury point regarding Shaq is stupid. What if Dwayne Wade gets injured? Then you're fucked. That's a concern for every player in the league - anybody can get injured. It's the risk you take by being an NBA player. It's irrevelent to anything I wrote. When you write, "With this roster we would be worse than Boston and Orlando." you are once again blindly looking at talent. It takes more than talent to win - you have to be able to perform in the play-offs and you have to have pieces that fit together. Isiah Thomas is another example of a guy who tried to build a talented team without thinking about how the players fit together and it was a complete disaster.
You lost bro.
Delonte West was the biggest disaster in the play-offs last season. Once you get past your homerness you will realize that he was the Cavs biggest liability on defense, and he wasn't hitting any shots, so basically he was a useless 6'3" SG running around doing nothing. You don't understand that play-off teams don't need more talent, they need to build a roster of players that fit in. Obviously trading Delonte West would be a step back in talent, sure. But surrounding star players with talent doesn't always equal winning. You need to find players that fit in. Why do you think teams love Trevor Ariza, Dahntay Jones, Raja Bell, and Bruce Bowen and they started? These are some of the least talented players in the league, but they are glue guys, they know how to play roles. Delonte West doesn't know how to do that, Allen Iverson is another example now that he isn't a superstar anymore. Raja Bell is the perfect fit for the Cavs because he's got the physical tools to guard star guards and can score without needing the ball in his hands. The injury point regarding Shaq is stupid. What if Dwayne Wade gets injured? Then you're fucked. That's a concern for every player in the league - anybody can get injured. It's the risk you take by being an NBA player. It's irrevelent to anything I wrote. When you write, "With this roster we would be worse than Boston and Orlando." you are once again blindly looking at talent. It takes more than talent to win - you have to be able to perform in the play-offs and you have to have pieces that fit together. Isiah Thomas is another example of a guy who tried to build a talented team without thinking about how the players fit together and it was a complete disaster.
lol so due to the fact that Delonte West played bad in the Orlando series we dump his ass? So that means we should also trade Mo Williams too,right? The Cavs are a team that finds players that fit in or we wouldn't have won 66 games and gone to the ECF. Trading Delonte West would be a mistake. Raja Bell's game has dropped over the past few years where as Delonte West has room to improve. Comparing a Shaq to D Wade injury is retarded. Wade is Miami's best player and without him the Heat would falter. Without Shaq the Cavs are still a damn good team with Z as the starting center. Removing Z and a Shaq injury occurs then as you put we have Joe Smith as the starting center! Unless the Cavs were to go out and get a reliable back up center I don't think a Z trade will happen.
Maybe they'll pursue Marion now that the Raptors have gone after and are expecting to sign Hedo. Unless of course, he pulls out of that too. Is Marion even capable of playing the power forward position anymore? Or was that something made possible by the Mike D'Antoni system? Regardless, he has to be better than Hickson starting at the four.
Ferry and Illgauskas are like best friends. There is no way that he'll trade him and if he does, it'll be one of those situations where he'll probably wait it out 30 days and just re-sign with the Cavaliers.
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