Whether picked too high or are just in the wrong system, who are the players that you just don't think will excel in the NFL?
Andre Smith, just not a big fan. He doesn't show any will and an offensive lineman needs that drive to be great. He won't be a franchise left tackle and he's in a horrible organization to try to keep him on track.
Brian Orakpo just has Vernon Gholston all over him. Tweeners are huge hit and misses, especially this high, and I see a big miss here.
I do like Jeremy Maclin, but is it just me, or is he just DeSean Jackson with a different name? Doesn't make sense, regardless of value, to have your two main receivers play the exact same roll.
Darrius Heyward-Bey is too easy, especially because everyone already expects him to be a bust.
Matthew Stafford is set up to fail; I see him living Tim Couch's career.
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Whether picked too high or are just in the wrong system, who are the players that you just don't think will excel in the NFL?
Andre Smith, just not a big fan. He doesn't show any will and an offensive lineman needs that drive to be great. He won't be a franchise left tackle and he's in a horrible organization to try to keep him on track.
Brian Orakpo just has Vernon Gholston all over him. Tweeners are huge hit and misses, especially this high, and I see a big miss here.
I do like Jeremy Maclin, but is it just me, or is he just DeSean Jackson with a different name? Doesn't make sense, regardless of value, to have your two main receivers play the exact same roll.
Darrius Heyward-Bey is too easy, especially because everyone already expects him to be a bust.
Matthew Stafford is set up to fail; I see him living Tim Couch's career.
Maclin does have a similar skill set, but he's also about 2 inches taller than Jackson. He'll be an excellent slot threat for us, and no team will be able to match up with our speed. Reggie Brown will probably be the tall WR that we'll look to in the red zone, although he's very inconsistent.
Andre Smith, just not a big fan. He doesn't show any will and an offensive lineman needs that drive to be great. He won't be a franchise left tackle and he's in a horrible organization to try to keep him on track.
Brian Orakpo just has Vernon Gholston all over him. Tweeners are huge hit and misses, especially this high, and I see a big miss here.
I do like Jeremy Maclin, but is it just me, or is he just DeSean Jackson with a different name? Doesn't make sense, regardless of value, to have your two main receivers play the exact same roll.
Darrius Heyward-Bey is too easy, especially because everyone already expects him to be a bust.
Matthew Stafford is set up to fail; I see him living Tim Couch's career.
Say what you want, Andre Smith dominated in college consistantly. Tons of production. Even if he doesn't work out at LT, he'd be a great RT or RG. That's what great about drafting a guy like Smith, your almost sure to get a long time starter.
Vernon Gholston was a college DE, converted to OLB, Brian Orakpo was a college DE still playing DE. There's always a risk. Assuming Vernon Gholston is already a bust is foolish, like LaMarr Woodley he just needed some sit time in year one.
I think Darrius Heyward-Bey was going to be a better pro, then college player, but being in Oakland hurts him, definitely.
Stafford is actually in a really great position to succeed. Hes going to sit behind, Dante Caulpepper a veteran quarterback and learn the game. Hes got legit options to throw to, and little by little they will adjust the offensive line for him. I personally think they'll sit him two years.
Stafford is actually in a really great position to succeed. Hes going to sit behind, Dante Caulpepper a veteran quarterback and learn the game. Hes got legit options to throw to, and little by little they will adjust the offensive line for him. I personally think they'll sit him two years.
I agree that Matt Stafford is in a pretty good situation to succeed.
Calvin Johnson
Brandon Pettigrew
Kevin Smith
Derrick Williams
It looks like a potentially balanced offense down the line.
I don't think the Lions will wait 2 seasons to throw him out there. If he's not ready after year one, something is wrong. I don't see them waiting two years to see their investment. Recently QB's have only waited one year to start if they didn't start right away, or had a very good QB ahead of them (Leinart, Warner and Rodgers and Favre).
The only way the Lions wait two years is if Daunte Culpepper plays very well and the Lions make a push for a playoff spot, that might not be enough to keep Stafford on the bench.
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he's been complaining about fatigue and soreness in his first mini-camps? wtf? he's like 21 years old complaining about 'fatigue'?
reporters have said that he's dropped easy wide open passes
he's just not that good
He banged up his hamstring, that's been his only issue. A guy you haven't seen play has dropped some passes according to a reporter you don't source, and you say he's just not that good. Boy I trust that analysis.
He banged up his hamstring, that's been his only issue. A guy you haven't seen play has dropped some passes according to a reporter you don't source, and you say he's just not that good. Boy I trust that analysis.
lol, his only issue? How about being the top WR drafted and having no hands? thats not an issue to you?
Whether picked too high or are just in the wrong system, who are the players that you just don't think will excel in the NFL?
Andre Smith, just not a big fan. He doesn't show any will and an offensive lineman needs that drive to be great. He won't be a franchise left tackle and he's in a horrible organization to try to keep him on track.
Brian Orakpo just has Vernon Gholston all over him. Tweeners are huge hit and misses, especially this high, and I see a big miss here.
I do like Jeremy Maclin, but is it just me, or is he just DeSean Jackson with a different name? Doesn't make sense, regardless of value, to have your two main receivers play the exact same roll.
Darrius Heyward-Bey is too easy, especially because everyone already expects him to be a bust.
Matthew Stafford is set up to fail; I see him living Tim Couch's career.
I disagree 100% with your first two. Andre Smith seems to be showing alot of motivation and is getting into shape..could see him succeeding.
Orakpo has already been pointed out as a great draft pick, compared to DeMarcus Ware....he's already a very, very good DE. No clue how a Vernon Gholston comparason could be made without being under the influence.
Pro Bowl offensive lineman Chris Samuels has observed Orakpo closely -- and has struggled in pass protection against him.
"He's strong, he's quick and he has the mentality of a five- or six-year vet in the game," Samuels said.
"He's coming hard. He's strong. He's really strong. He has the speed to beat you around the edge and beat you inside. But when it comes down to it, he can bull [rush] you and push you on top of the quarterback if you don't have proper hand position."
yeah I don't know how you could argue with all the success in the NFL the Longho-
Yeah you're right.
Cedric Benson, RB, Cincinnati Bengals
Justin Blalock, OL, Atlanta Falcons
Tarell Brown, CB, San Francisco 49ers
Jamaal Charles, RB, Kansas City Chiefs
Tim Crowder, DE, Denver Broncos
Leonard Davis, OG, Dallas Cowboys
Phil Dawson, K, Cleveland Browns
Derrick Dockery, OG, Washington Redskins
Jermichael Finley, TE, Green Bay Packers
Brandon Foster, CB, Indianapolis Colts
Cedric Griffin, CB, Minnesota Vikings
Michael Griffin, S, Tennessee Titans
Ahmard Hall, FB, Tennessee Titans
Casey Hampton, NT, Pittsburgh Steelers
Tony Hills, OT, Pittsburgh Steelers
Michael Huff, S, Oakland Raiders
Quentin Jammer, CB, San Diego Chargers
Derrick Johnson, LB, Kansas City Chiefs
Nate Jones, WR, St. Louis Rams
D.D Lewis, LB, Seattle Seahawks
Cullen Loeffler, DS, Minnesota Vikings
Derek Lokey, DT, Kansas City Chiefs
Frank Okam, DT, Houston Texans
Cory Redding, DE, Detroit Lions
Brian Robison, DE, Minnesota Vikings
Shaun Rogers, DT, Cleveland Browns
Aaron Ross, CB, New York Giants
Bo Scaife, TE, Tennessee Titans
Jonathan Scott, OT, Buffalo Bills
Lyle Sendlein, C, Arizona Cardinals
Chris Simms, QB, Denver Broncos
Kasey Studdard, OG, Houston Texans
Limas Sweed, WR, Pittsburgh Steelers
David Thomas, TE, New England Patriots
Nathan Vasher, CB, Chicago Bears
Ricky Williams, RB, Miami Dolphins
Roy E. Williams, WR, Dallas Cowboys
Rodrique Wright, DT, Miami Dolphins
Selvin Young , RB, Denver Broncos
Vince Young, QB, Tennessee Titans
I'm sure none of those current NFL players to come out of Texas would argue with you. I'd go through and count how many are probowlers...but I dont have that much time. Mike Griffin...Leonard Davis just last year. However, that doesn't matter. What does is that Orakpo is unstoppable. When Pro-bowl o-linemen have trouble with rookie DEs....something is up.
As for Texas' reputation in the NFL...it's kind of sad that three players (Ricky Williams, Cedric Benson, Vince Young) have given the university a bad reputation. We all forget the Ricky Williams had the most rushing yards in the league at least one year. Dude just doesn't enjoy football. It's not in his heart. Cedric Benson was injured by a cheapshot from his teammate Brian Urlacher in a non-contact drill in practice. He never recovered from that/ We'll see how he does in Cincy. And well...we all know about Vince.
Cedric Benson, RB, Cincinnati Bengals - was run out of Chicago because he sucked so bad and was an idiot about following the law
Tarell Brown, CB, San Francisco 49ers - got all his misdemeanors out of the way in college, so far anyway
Jamaal Charles, RB, Kansas City Chiefs - has less than a thousand total yards, not a notable player as of yet
Tim Crowder, DE, Denver Broncos - saw diminished playing time in his second season, I assume that's because the Broncos have someone better
*Leonard Davis, OG, Dallas Cowboys - will give you that one, he is a Cowboy though so I support that
Phil Dawson, K, Cleveland Browns - he's a fucking kicker. still, I guess he's good
Jermichael Finley, TE, Green Bay Packers - 74 yards total. Let's not shit ourselves just yet.
Brandon Foster, CB, Indianapolis Colts - isn't on the Colts or any team, actually
Cedric Griffin, CB, Minnesota Vikings - seems pretty good, I don't know about him
Michael Griffin, S, Tennessee Titans - got in the probowl because of injury
Ahmard Hall, FB, Tennessee Titans - plays a dying position
Casey Hampton, NT, Pittsburgh Steelers
Tony Hills, OT, Pittsburgh Steelers
Michael Huff, S, Oakland Raiders
Quentin Jammer, CB, San Diego Chargers
Derrick Johnson, LB, Kansas City Chiefs
Nate Jones, WR, St. Louis Rams
D.D Lewis, LB, Seattle Seahawks
Cullen Loeffler, DS, Minnesota Vikings
Derek Lokey, DT, Kansas City Chiefs
Frank Okam, DT, Houston Texans
Cory Redding, DE, Detroit Lions
Brian Robison, DE, Minnesota Vikings
Shaun Rogers, DT, Cleveland Browns
Aaron Ross, CB, New York Giants
Bo Scaife, TE, Tennessee Titans
Jonathan Scott, OT, Buffalo Bills
Lyle Sendlein, C, Arizona Cardinals
Chris Simms, QB, Denver Broncos
Kasey Studdard, OG, Houston Texans
Limas Sweed, WR, Pittsburgh Steelers
David Thomas, TE, New England Patriots
Nathan Vasher, CB, Chicago Bears
Ricky Williams, RB, Miami Dolphins
Roy E. Williams, WR, Dallas Cowboys
Rodrique Wright, DT, Miami Dolphins
Selvin Young , RB, Denver Broncos
Vince Young, QB, Tennessee Titans - train-wreck backup for a soccer dad
I'm sure none of those current NFL players to come out of Texas would argue with you.
I got bored but the general trend is that texas doesn't produce players that are huge stars (there are a few but not many). You act like texas is the victim of a series of random incidents. Even if it's just a few players, it's a few players in a very short time. A lot of the players you listed aren't successful. A few aren't even signed to teams at all!
Ryan Leaf played in the NFL. Ryan Leaf was not a successful NFL quarterback. See how people use words to convey meaning in ways that make sense? You should try.
I don't think Heyward-Bey is a bad pick for this at all. This pick was considered to be the worst in the 1st round. He has a lot of raw abilities, but that doesn't cut it in the NFL. Until he proves that he knows the game well, and has solid WR fundamentals, then I will not be sold on the guy. Especially since he plays on the Raiders (worst passing game in the NFL), I don't expect him to do much anytime soon.
Sure...not any Peyton Manning types...but you can't argue when a school puts people in the NFL. At the end of last season, the total players in the NFL by college were as follows:
How can that be an argument against success? Sure, none of them are Peyton Manning. But there are 9 active longhorns in the NFL that have made the pro-bowl. And only Miami and Michigan have more current players in the NFL. I'd like to see your definition of a team with success in the NFL.
Also, I apologize for accidentally posting last year's list of active longhorns in the NFL earlier. This years list is about 7 players longer if you are interested in it.
Griffin should have been in the pro-bowl, injury or not.
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Sure...not any Peyton Manning types...but you can't argue when a school puts people in the NFL. At the end of last season, the total players in the NFL by college were as follows:
How can that be an argument against success? Sure, none of them are Peyton Manning. But there are 9 active longhorns in the NFL that have made the pro-bowl. And only Miami and Michigan have more current players in the NFL. I'd like to see your definition of a team with success in the NFL.
Also, I apologize for accidentally posting last year's list of active longhorns in the NFL earlier. This years list is about 7 players longer if you are interested in it.
It's not an argument against success, but it's not one for it, either. Orakpo is already going to be in the NFL. The argument is not whether Orakpo was a successful college player or whether Orakpo will play in the NFL. The argument is whether he will be a good NFL player. All you prove by posting a list of players is that they get selected by NFL teams. That's not a measure of NFL success, it's a measure of college success. This should be obvious to anyone who has a modicum of intelligence.
Furthermore, your argument only takes into account the good and ignores the bad. You can make an argument that texas players are just as much a hassle as they are a benefit. Players like Vince, Ricky, and Cedric Benson prove this.
And if you want teams that are more successful, apparently Miami and Michigan are. Ohio State is just as successful. This is according to your definition, not mine. It was pretty arbitrary and silly, but it's funny because it proves you wrong and unintelligent.
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